Veronica Roth is the writer of the bestselling Divergent novels, which were being adapted into a sequence of popular movies. Her new novel Poster Lady tells the tale of Sonya Kantor, a young girl lifted in an authoritarian society in close to-future Seattle.

“I required her to be not a normal hero figure, but to be an individual who’s complicit in the authoritarian regime that fell, and battling with how she understands that, and how she’s been manipulated by this technique,” Roth states in Episode 528 of the Geek’s Tutorial to the Galaxy podcast.

Poster Female imagines the supreme surveillance state, in which each action is recorded and judged by ubiquitous ocular implants. Roth suggests it was all too easy for her to visualize how Sonya could delight in getting continuously monitored and rewarded for her superior habits. “I was surely just one of all those college students who loved to be rewarded in university, and I was often good at checks, and I was constantly properly-behaved,” she states. “It’s interesting to know that you are undertaking the appropriate factor, and you’re undertaking all the things that you’re supposed to be undertaking, to a certain form of identity.”

The e book was also motivated by Roth’s frequent trips to visit her husband’s family members in Romania, a nation that was dominated by the communist dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu till 1989. “Even now, if you go to the Xmas Current market in Romania, they offer very little magnets with Ceaușescu’s encounter on it, and this guy was brutal and terrible to a whole lot of individuals,” Roth states. “But there are some people today who have communist nostalgia, due to the fact for them it possibly wasn’t so poor in the course of that time—maybe it was even superior. But for anyone who benefits, there’s another person who does not.”

Roth claims the United States is nearer to starting to be a surveillance condition than we’d like to feel, and that looking into all the means in which our products are tracking us has designed her increasingly paranoid. “Basically you have to decide on your poison—no system is especially amazing,” she claims. “We sort of have put this on the person to find means to keep creeps out of your info, but I believe that seriously should not be our obligation, it should be guarded on a grander scale.”

Pay attention to the entire job interview with Veronica Roth in Episode 528 of Geek’s Manual to the Galaxy (higher than). And check out some highlights from the discussion below.

Veronica Roth on privacy:

With the current Supreme Court docket stuff about abortion, this has develop into far more relatable to men and women. A whole lot of girls have an app on their cellular phone that will help them track their interval, and there was a good deal of talk about, “Oh, you ought to delete that application now,” because if the govt can access your app knowledge, then they could conceivably observe when you previous menstruated and ascertain no matter if you have had an abortion. And that’s deeply unsettling, but it is just an example of how things can modify overnight. … I went to the Women’s March in Atlanta immediately after Trump was elected—my presence there was logged by my mobile phone, and by social media—so if there was a sizeable routine change and all of a sudden it was criminalized to have long gone to individuals protests—or not even criminalized, but it just places you on some kind of checklist somewhere where by you’re staying watched—that’s closer at hand than folks I feel would like to feel.

Veronica Roth on her impending novel Arch-Conspirator:

It’s a sci-fi retelling of Antigone. … It’s post-publish-publish-apocalyptic. There is one past settlement on Earth, and they are all dying all the time. Generally I believe the primary variance [from the play] is that I experienced to question myself how I was going to manage the incest, due to the fact Antigone is the daughter of Oedipus, who famously killed his father and married his mother, unwittingly, and then experienced small children, and Antigone is just one of these small children. The incest of the engage in is vital for the reason that she feels like she’s cursed from birth due to the fact of it, and other persons in her modern society address her that way. So I experienced to figure out if I was likely to straight-up do that, and I determined not to because I wanted to build much more marvel and mysticism close to why she feels she’s cursed. So there is quite arduous gene enhancing in this potential, mainly because of how everyone’s deteriorating in this Dying Earth environment, and she is not edited. So that’s the taboo that she carries with her as a curse.

Veronica Roth on endings:

I sent [Courtney Summers] an early version of the define of [Poster Girl] with two endings. 1 was happier, and a single was significantly less joyful. I selected the significantly less delighted just one because she was like, “I do not feel the way you’ve established this up, that this is basically an ending that feels genuine to the guide or feels attained.” … [The happy ending] just felt low-priced to me. I felt the wrongness of it. I was trying to make it perform, and I was like, “Well, what about this other detail I could do that’s way additional of a possibility for me emotionally?” And she was like, “You have to do that. Which is a fantastic ending.” And I was like, “But I don’t know that I can bear it.” I recall declaring that to her. Emotionally, as the writer of it, I didn’t know if I could reside in that reality for that very long. And she was like, “You can. You need to.”

Veronica Roth on introverts:

My mom was a design when she was younger, so when I was a child she was usually trying to give us advice—like for headshots for significant school—she would check out to give information: “You need to do this or do that.” And I just keep in mind finding the prints and staying like, “Wow, none of what I was trying to do appeared on my encounter.” I have no notion what my facial area is doing at any given time. So I feel that discrepancy amongst how you come to feel and how you arrive across is some thing that a good deal of people today can relate to. Particularly introverts, I really feel like. You experience this wealthy and complex interior planet inside of you, and then externally individuals are like, “Hmm, variety of a peaceful person.” And it is like, “Wow, what a bummer, to be described that way.”

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